May 12, 2009

BITS streams demystified again!

Last year I wrote a post on understanding various disciplines (say streams) at BITS-Pilani and how one can decide his preferences on streams. And now here I am back with the another post on the same lines. The content of this post is mostly same as previous one except few changes related to cut-offs. The below note is an extract from my previous post. It has some changes related to BITSAT-08 cut-offs and little guess-work on expected cut-offs. This post will be useful for studs who arent able to decide on what kind of courses them should take. So let’s start demystifying the preference order.

BITS is a kinda a place where apart from the regular academics you learn a lot from the extra curricular. The flexibilities offered at BITS are innumerable. From no attendance to attending unregistered classes, bunking classes to attending surprise tests, one-night ghoting, 2am fried Maggi...no doubt i still miss those golden days a lot :(. I can assure the prospective students that they will have very fond memories with BITS once they pass-out.

Few of the notable flexibilities pertaining to academics is the option of having DUAL degree. This enables student to pursue engineering in 2 different areas. For eg. few of my friends have dual degrees in various areas like Mechanical + Computer Science, Mathematics + EEE, Economics + Computer Science. There is also an option to completely switch from one stream to other stream say from Mechanical to EEE or Chemical to Instrumentation. You have another option of continuing the undergraduate course and convert it into a post-graduate degree like B.E (Hons.) EEE to M.E (Hons.) Embedded Systems. Apart from this we have the compulsary and optional Internship programs at the end of second year and in fourth year. All these flexibilities allow the students to design their career paths as per their needs and interests. All these features have made BITS one of the most sought after colleges for engineering in India. Students who pass-out from BITS also have very bright chances to get into top notch colleges for higher studies in India and abroad.

Many students might have already gone through the cut-offs for various branches at BITS (both Pilani and Goa). Let us once have a look at the cut-offs for various disciplines. The following details are also given in the BITS website.

"The cut-off BITSAT scores for admissions to I Semester 2008-09 to different programmes are given below. This is given here for information on the request of many candidates."

Degree programme at Pilani Campus

Cut-off BITSAT-2008 score

B.E.(Hons.): Chemical

309

B.E.(Hons.): Civil

304

B.E.(Hons.): Electrical & Electronics

339

B.E.(Hons.): Mechanical

324

B.Pharm.(Hons.)

241

B.E.(Hons.): Computer Science

349

B.E.(Hons.): Electronics &

Instrumentation

331

M.Sc.(Hons.): Biological Sciences

263

M.Sc.(Hons.): Chemistry

282

M.Sc.(Hons.): Economics

289

M.Sc.(Hons.): Mathematics

287

M.Sc.(Hons.): Physics

288

M.Sc.(Tech.): General Studies

302

M.Sc.(Tech.): Engineering Technology

283

M.Sc.(Tech.): Finance

276

M.Sc.(Tech.): Information Systems

287


Degree programme at Goa Campus

cut-off BITSAT-2008 score

B.E.(Hons.): Chemical

281

B.E.(Hons.): Electrical and Electronics

304

B.E.(Hons.): Mechanical

290

B.E.(Hons.): Computer Science

313

B.E.(Hons.): Electronics &

Instrumentation

295

M.Sc.(Hons.): Biological Sciences

248

M.Sc.(Hons.): Chemistry

265

M.Sc.(Hons.): Economics

271

M.Sc.(Hons.): Mathematics

270

M.Sc.(Hons.): Physics

272

M.Sc.(Tech.): Information Systems

272

Degree programme at Hyderabad Campus

cut-off BITSAT-2008 score

B.E.(Hons.): Chemical

280

B.E.(Hons.): Civil

285

B.E.(Hons.): Electrical and Electronics

299

B.E.(Hons.): Mechanical

291

B.E.(Hons.): Computer Science

306

B.E.(Hons.): Electronics & Communication

306

B.Pharm.(Hons.)

230

M.Sc.(Hons.): Biological Sciences

248

M.Sc.(Hons.): Chemistry

264

M.Sc.(Hons.): Economics

266

M.Sc.(Hons.): Mathematics

268

M.Sc.(Hons.): Physics

267

M.Sc.(Tech.): Information Systems

272

http://www.bitsadmission.com/admn/fd/cutoffscores.htm
Since the Hyderabad campus has opened the gates for the students from this academic year (2008-09), the cut-offs are going to come down a little more. What could be the expected cut-offs?? To understand this lets do some maths now! Nearly one-lakh candidates registered for BITSAT-2007 and 68,466 candidates had registered for BITSAT-2006. As per the statistics available with the BITS, inBITSAT-2006 only 155 candidates could score above 400 while 1,241 candidates scored more than 350. Candidates with scores above 300 were 4,715 while candidates with scores 250 and above were 11,696. Though the candidates eligible were quite good in number, some would have missed the pre-requisite of a candidate obtaining a minimum of aggregate 80 per cent marks in physics, chemistry and mathematics subjects in the Intermediate examination, with at least 60 per cent marks in each of the Physics, Chemistry, and Mathematics subjects. Now in 2007 the cut-off was around 275 (Lets consider only A-group and B-group streams) for Pilani and 271 for Goa. With 600 seats getting added (Hyderabad campus) I am expecting the cut off to come down to 255 - 260. But with 6 new IITs starting this year (tentative), another 700 seats will be available to grab ! That means the BITSAT cut-off can reduce further to around 245 - 250. But the cut-offs for popular streams like EEE, Computer Science, E&I, Mechanical might not come down. The general feedback says that BITSAT-08 exam was tougher than last year.

My guessing (which never went correct in exams) was good and last year cut-offs was indeed in the range of 240-250. The cut-off for a seat in Pilani campus was 241, for Goa campus it was 248 and for Hyderabad
campus was 230. The top 3 streams (EEE, CSE, E&I) had cut-offs of 300+ indicating that there wasn't much change for the sought after streams. Coming to the B-group streams (MSc courses), the cut-offs were above 250. Thus if we look at obtaining a dual degree then scoring 250+ would have ensured atleast one of the B-group streams and later on the student could have taken one of the A-group streams as Dual degree.


The most important factor which could dampen students' spirits is the latest buzzword "Recession". The concerns are genuine as the placements at reputed engineering colleges in India weren't great this year. Many of them could not even get the placement offers for 50% of their student strength. Hence many would not prefer to invest in costly education. But let me remind you that this investment would get you laurels and success throughout your life. You never know if this recession would continue after 4 years. The signs of recovery are already showing and the economy would revive slowly. The cut-offs could thus continue at the same range that is 240-250 for admission this year. Pilani would lead with higher cut-offs followed by Goa and then Hyderabad.


Now let us assume that a student X got around 310 marks and now has to give in the preferences of the various courses. The first foremost thing he should take care about is his career goals. Questions like career goals, ambitions, interests in specific fields etc. should be taken into consideration while deciding the preferences. But the general scenario is that the student coming out of 12th standard do not have much knowledge about the courses, and even if they have the knowledge then they cant decide on their areas of interest. So this student X is of similar type who does not have any specific interests in any field but has inclination to be in the most popular branches (EEE, E&I, CSC etc.). So here go his preferences:

  1. B.E (Hons.) Computer Science - Pilani
  2. B.E (Hons.) EEE - Pilani
  3. B.E (Hons.) E&I - Pilani
  4. B.E (Hons.) Mechanical - Pilani
  5. MSc (Hons.) Mathematics - Pilani
  6. Msc (Hons.) Economics - Pilani
  7. Msc (Hons.) Physics - Pilani
  8. Msc (Hons.) Chemistry - Pilani
  9. Msc (Hons.) Biology - Pilani
  10. Msc (Tech.) Information Systems - Pilani
  11. B.E (Hons.) Computer Science - Goa
  12. B.E (Hons.) EEE - Goa
  13. B.E (Hons.) E&I - Goa
  14. B.E (Hons.) Computer Science - Hyderabad
  15. B.E (Hons.) ECE - Hyderabad
  16. B.E (Hons.) EEE - Hyderabad
  17. MSc (Hons.) Mathematics - Goa
  18. Msc (Hons.) Economics - Goa
  19. Msc (Hons.) Physics - Goa
  20. Msc (Hons.) Chemistry - Goa
  21. Msc (Hons.) Biology - Goa
  22. B.E (Hons.) Mechanical - Goa
  23. MSc (Hons.) Mathematics - Hyderabad
  24. Msc (Hons.) Economics - Hyderabad
  25. Msc (Hons.) Physics - Hyderabad
  26. Msc (Hons.) Chemistry - Hyderabad
  27. Msc (Hons.) Biology - Hyderabad
  28. B.E (Hons.) Mechanical - Hyderabad
  29. B.E (Hons.) Chemical - Pilani
  30. B.E (Hons.) Civil - Pilani
  31. Msc (Tech.) Information Systems - Goa
  32. Msc (Tech.) Information Systems - Hyderabad
  33. B.E (Hons.) Chemical - Goa
  34. B.E (Hons.) Civil - Goa
  35. B.E (Hons.) Chemical - Hyderabad
  36. B.E (Hons.) Civil - Hyderabad
  37. B.Pharm (Hons.) - Pilani
  38. B.Pharm (Hons.) - Hyderabad
  39. MSc (Tech.) Finance - Pilani
  40. MSc (Tech.) Engineering Technology - Pilani
  41. MSc (Tech.) General Studies - Pilani

Here goes the explanation for the above preference:

  • Higher preference for MSc courses (call it as B-group courses) of pilani because student X BITSAT score falls into that category exactly. Also getting a dual degree in few of the disciplines like Computer science , EEE or E&I is not difficult if you score good marks (we call it as CGPA - Cumulative Grade Point Average in BITS) in exams. In fact the marks (latest marks I could get) required to get dual degrees are:
    • EEE - 7.5+
    • Computer Science - 7.6+
    • E&I - 7.2+
    • Mechanical - 7+

Note: CGPA of 10 is equivalent to 100%

  • These scores are applicable to students of B-group only. If a student wants to take dual within A-group (the B.E (Hons.) courses) then the scores can go as high as 9.2+. Likewise if a student wants to take a transfer to another A-group course, the score required is high (around 9.3+). Thus getting a dual degree using B-group is easier compared to other available options. An average student who studies regularly can easily get above 8.5 in BITS, atleast in first year as few of the subjects are foundation subjects. The only drawback is he needs to spend 5 years to complete the courses instead of 4 years. But I never consider this as a drawback because a dual degree student has the option to take internship of either 6 months (1 semester) or 12 months (2 semester). These internship are done in reputed organisations and many of them even get employed in those companies !! Thus effectively you are actually studying for 4 years + 1 year of real project work in various companies. Not a bad deal !!
  • Hyderabad though a new college can have an edge over Goa in terms of placement and other resources because of its geographic location. There have also been rumours that hyderabad campus will have world class faculty.

One important point to be discussed is now - what if two students have same marks? This has been explained in the BITS admission website:

"As explained earlier, a candidate who has appeared in BITSAT-2008 will be eligible for admission only if he/she gets the required minimum marks in the Physics, Chemistry and Mathematics or Biology subjects of 12th examination as per the eligibility criteria described already. All candidates who have appeared in BITSAT-2008 and are interested in admission will be required to submit Admission application with 12th marks and preferences to different degree programmes offered, on or before 30th June 2008, as detailed later in this brochure.

The merit position of such eligible candidates (i.e., those who have appeared in BITSAT-2008 and have submitted the application for admission in the prescribed form(s) with 12th marks, preferences and the required fees) will be prepared on the basis of their scores in BITSAT-2008. There will be two separate merit lists prepared for admission. One for all the programmes except the B.Pharm.(Hons.) and M.Sc.(Hons.) Biological Sciences, the other only for B.Pharm.(Hons.) and M.Sc.(Hons.) Biological Sciences. The cases of bracketing, if any, will be dealt with as described below.

When the score of two candidates are the same, first their scores obtained in Mathematics (if he/she has taken Mathematics in BITSAT) or Biology (if he/she has taken Biology in BITSAT) will be considered for separating them. If the scores obtained in Mathematics/Biology are equal, then their scores in Physics in BITSAT will be considered for separating them. If the scores obtained in Physics are also equal, then their scores in Chemistry in BITSAT will be considered for separating them. If still there is a tie, their PCM (if he/she has taken Mathematics in BITSAT) or PCB (if he/she has taken Biology in BITSAT) total marks in 12th examination will be considered for their separation."

http://www.bitsadmission.com/admn/brochures/BITSAT2008br.htm

Lastly the disclaimer part :). This list is based solely on my judgement and info from few of my friends who are studying in BITS currently and also few ex-Bitsians. The list does not reflect the course content quality or other issues. All these disciplines are taught by very good and experienced faculty in all the campuses. Students who have interest in specific streams like Civil, Chemical, Mechanical etc should give higher preference to those disciplines. I request you to discuss with your relatives, teachers and friends before filling up your preference order. Also go through the admission details and other important information on BITS website before submitting your preferences. Please do not rely solely on the college rankings given by various magazines as they can be very misleading. one last thing, BITS is on par with IITs and better than many NITs. So while deciding college and stream, give first preference to your interests/career/branch than which college to join. Feel free to shoot your queries :).


Updated news:


1. Check out this new video of BITS- Pilani:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=631141890851150255

2. For the students who wanted to know what is special of BITS and its culture, check

this link –

http://www.livemint.com/2008/06/12000116/India8217s-Best-Colleges.html

3. This attachement (.pdf file) gives the ranking for top 30 private engineering institutes. Please dont rely solely on rankings for college selection.

http://www.livemint.com/2008/06/12000116/76EAFEC3-3A7C-494C-A923-EFC04A6490B0ArtVPF.pdf

11 comments:

suman said...

i scored 257 in my bitsat 2009.in which campus i can get entry? i dont want B. Pharm.i want B.E. or Msc(hons). Plz also tell me about Msc(bio sciences). is it also a dual degree ?plz mail me at suman.manocha@yahoo.co.in
thanx

DeEpAk said...

Yes, Msc Bio can be used for Dual degree.

suman said...

Deepak,
thanx. and what are the chances of entry into bits for dual degree with a score of 257?

suman said...

sir,
my bitsat 2009 score is 257.i got 84% in pcm in 12th. what r chances of getting dual in any campus? can i be sure for dual? i dont have any other option bcoz my aieee and jee have not gone good. and one more thing, should i opt for b.pharma (in case i not get dual)? plz reply

Aditya said...

sir,
i scored 261 in bits-2009...what all options do i hav??n can't we take a dual degree with b pharm?

neil said...

i got 253 in bitsat...and 96% in pcm...i want B.E. or M.Sc.(maths)...which campus do i have a chance in? is hyderabad ranked below goa??
pls reply in neil007.m@gmail.com
thanks...

Anonymous said...

My son Akshay Joshi got 263 in bitsat and 86% in PCM,he likes CS,mechanical,electrical and electronic in order.can you suggest preferences for courses and campus? (ofcourse for dual degree)Thank you..

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